Joel and Aaron unpack how they use code-coverage numbers as a starting signal rather than a finish line. They discuss realistic thresholds, choosing the right tool for each test layer, and why coverage metrics can double as negotiation leverage inside big organizations. Listen in for practical ways to decide what to test—and when to stop.

• (00:00) - Testing passion vs. shipping work
• (01:00) - Coverage tells you what’s missing
• (03:45) - Picking a baseline metric that grows
• (06:15) - Draw the line between logic and UI tests
• (12:45) - Silly bit

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